[identity profile] banemmanan.livejournal.com

So it's me again, back so soon.


I must admit that it's been quite a while since I actually watched mfu itself and even then only season 1. But I notice that fanfiction often depicts Napoleon and Illya as sharing an office and I was wondering what canon there as to support that?


I have a fic, separate from the first one, and I've just hit the stumbling block of needing to describe an U.N.C.L.E. office and I realised that I don't even know if their agents actually have offices or if I've just lifted that from fanon. Either way, there shall be an office, I just wondered if there was one in canon that I should base it off.


Any help would be greatly appreciated :)

[identity profile] threecee.livejournal.com
I'm not sure if anyone else is anal enough to develop full backstory outlines (sort of personnell file summary sheet) for their characters, but I do.

Illya's timeline: The only definate date I can find in the MFU Bible for Illya is that he attended Survival School in 1956. By late September 1964 he is in New York and has begun working with Napoleon.  (When the TV show aired). According to the Return movie he resigned in 1971 when he was still an active field agent, so under 40 unless the rules had changed by then.  He is a Scorpio which places his birthdate between October 23 and November 21, but I can't find a birth year or any point where his age is specified. With all his higher education, at least two years in the Soviet Navy, and so on, it is difficult to cram everything in.

Do we have any hints as to birth year?

Napoleon's time line: He is a Capricorn, born between Dec 22 and January 19. He was senior to Illya by two years which puts him in Survival School in 1954.  He was in the Army, probably during the Korean War, but I don't think that was ever made explicit in canon. Went to college where he may or may not have thrown the javelin.
[identity profile] spikesgirl58.livejournal.com
With the exception of AU's, when you are working on a MFU piece, how obligated do you feel to stick to canon?  Is it more of a 'if it's convenient, I'll use it' or do you go out of your way to make sure certain bits and pieces get mentioned in your fic.
[identity profile] rallamajoop.livejournal.com
So, a little while back I made a post here about my efforts to track down the original production notes for the UNCLE show. I'd found Napoleon and Illya's bios online, but only fragments of Mr. Waverly's, or the surrounding notes about the world of the show. Folks helpfully suggested I might find the parts I was looking for in the old yahoo groups or the Facebook group, which I tried without success -- then largely by accident stumbled onto an auction for a copy of the original promotional pressbook for the series with high-quality scans of several pages, and by trying a matching-image-search on that I found another site with low-res scans of yet more pages from the pressbook, and...

[breathes] Well, long story short, I found the complete text of Mr. Waverly's original bio! And like Napoleon's and Illya's, it hints at a whole bunch of stuff that never made it to the screen. As per previous discussions, it's debatable how much of these bios still count as 'canon' at this point, but are generally still a fascinating read. Transcript under the cut. Just to have them all in one place, I've copied Napoleon's and Illya's over as well.

There are a number of other interesting pages in the pressbook, which hint at episodes which were pitched but never filmed, or ultimately filmed under different names. Also, it seems that not only Heather McNabb but also Grace Lee as Wanda Mae Kim, an East-Asian receptionist, were supposed to be recurring characters on the show, though neither character actually appeared more than a handful of times in early episodes.

Mr. Waverly )

Napoleon Solo )

Illya Kuryakin )
[identity profile] rallamajoop.livejournal.com
Not sure if this is the best place to bring this question up, but as I've been getting great mileage out of some of the older discussions on canon/fanon here, it seemed like it might be appropriate.

Since getting into the fandom, I've noticed a lot of what folks take as canon, or at least popular fanon (names of the various UNCLE Sections, secret entrances to headquarters, Napoleon's dead wife and Illya's love of jazz) came from original production notes, but never actually turned up in the show. I know parts of those notes were sent out with early publicity material, and seem to have been referenced in related publications from the time like the annuals, though I'm not sure in how much detail. Fragments have been reproduced in various places such as DVD extras, and more complete versions have obviously been referenced in John Heitland's book and a number of webpages, but none of these reproduce them verbatim. I've spent a while poking around to see how much the production bible and/or material from promotional booklets I could track down, and figured I ought to see if anyone here could help me out.

The character bios for Napoleon and Illya at least I've found in full online, reproduced on LJ here. They're also included in the extras of one of the DVDs (the five movies collection) that I've got hold of, though disappointingly there wasn't much else in there.

Parts of an old promotional booklet sent out to advertisers are reproduced in an old fanzine from around 1980 that I found on archive.org – but given that only parts of the full bios are included there, I'm presuming the other sections were similarly abbreviated. Still, there's a fair bit of detail there on the UNCLE organisation, a short bio for Mr Waverly that I haven't seen elsewhere, and even a line about Heather McNabb:

Quotes and specific questions under the cut )
[identity profile] glennagirl.livejournal.com
Originally posted by [livejournal.com profile] glennagirl at Poll Day - Is it Canon or Fanon?
The last Thursday of each month is Poll Day.  Let's talk about canon.

[Poll #1899268][Poll #1899268]
[identity profile] carabele.livejournal.com
Is U.N.C.L.E.'s Survival School located on an uncharted island in the Carribean or in the Pacific?

I recently rewatched the episode (or rather clicked through it, as this is an episode I really dislike) but didn't catch that. I know it is well-off the shipping lanes, but where? Anyone have a handle on that?
[identity profile] cosmosmariner.livejournal.com
Howdy cousins!

I have a question and hopefully someone can help me!

I need to know as much about Illya's time in Paris as possible. Canon details would be great, but if there are established fanon things that are more or less accepted by most people that would be fine, too.

Any help that you can give would be most appreciated!
[identity profile] teldreaming.livejournal.com
What do people think Illya's pre-UNCLE life was like? Takes on his background seem to vary between 'small child harassed by Nazis', 'earnest Ukrainian prole', and 'KGB boy-whore' in the fic I've read so far. I'm having a tricky time trying to get a full understanding of his cultural context.

Obviously, he was living in a difficult time period. I don't see that he could have been born later than 1933, even assuming he did his various European post-graduate stints after he joined UNCLE (which seems much more plausible than the alternative), and surviving 1933 was not easy. Then there was the war and the various other hazards of the late Stalin period...

My feeling is that his family was relatively well off. He went to university, and as far as I can tell that was unusual at the time. I'm not sure how seriously the whole 'University of Georgia' thing should be taken...

In general, it's hard for me to imagine they'd have let him out of the country if he wasn't a card-carrying communist with connections and some sort of association with intelligence work.

And then there's the navy. As far as I can tell the usual path to career naval service as an officer was through higher naval schools instead of civilian university, though it was possible there through reserve training/conscription(?). What was he planning to do with his life as a young man before things changed for him?
[identity profile] carabele.livejournal.com

With Fathers' Day this Sunday and the celebrations for that, I didn't get the time to rewatch THE NOWHERE AFFAIR this weekend, which I wanted to do to get a few details I wasn't sure about for an aftermath fanfic on the episode I'm in the midst of writing.

I'll rewatch the episode later this week for sure, but just wondered off the top-of-my-head if anyone knew/remembers if Mara had a last name that was used in the episode?
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com
I know it's semi-canonical (from one of the MGM bios and the novel The Rainbow Affair, I believe?) that Napoleon was married when young, and his wife died a year later - when he was 19 or 20, depending on the source, and usually the cause of death was a car accident.

I'm wondering if anyone has quotes from the original sources, and whether there's any more details that are either some degree of canon, or commonly accepted fanon. Also, is the wife ever named? Most fics seem to call her Kathleen, Kate, Kathy, or some other variation - again, any canon, or all fanon?
[identity profile] spikesgirl58.livejournal.com
After a few misteps, I am hoping this is a question that won't  go astray...

Do you think Napoleon is as big a womanizer as the show lets on?  Or has his reputation sort of grown its own wings and taken off?  Could he be absolutely faithful when he found that certain someone or would he go wandering after the passage of time?  Finally, if Napoleon is the Casanova that the series has led us to believe, what do you think drives him?

Canon: HQ

Apr. 4th, 2009 09:13 pm
[identity profile] st-crispins.livejournal.com
Like the Starship Enterprise in Star Trek, U.N.C.L.E. Headquarters in New York is almost a character in its own right. At least a glimpse of it appears in every episode. Sometimes it's just a briefing in Waverly's office, or scene showing the agents entering Del Floria's.

Read more... )
[identity profile] periwinkle27.livejournal.com
I know the U.N.C.L.E. headquarters was in the East Forties. Do we have an actual address for it?
Thanks
[identity profile] kleenexwoman.livejournal.com
I remember reading somewhere in some "character profile" that Napoleon majored in philosophy. Does anyone happen to remember this or where it could be found, or am I just imagining it or something?

In addition: Do you have your own personal versions of backstory for Napoleon, Illya, or any of the other characters? What are your favorite or least favorite fanfic or fanon versions of their childhood, adolescence, etc.? And why?

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